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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2014.10.20 02:05:00 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote: I treat EVE as a multiplayer game and the citizens of Highsec are my content. Confirming that I am content in a multiplayer game, as is everybody else.
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.20 13:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote: I treat EVE as a multiplayer game and the citizens of Highsec are my content. Confirming that I am content in a multiplayer game, as is everybody else. Your character's expression is the realization dawning on him that he is about to become "content". Or, to put it a different way, you once told me what it really is, and I have forgotten. Heh I've given many reasons for Jonah's facial expression, including "I looked at /b/", "I kissed a Goon and I liked it", "You call that a spaceship?", various forum stupidity, ALODs and this. The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.21 12:47:00 -
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Krysti wrote: I was afk for ten minutes. Would you go AFK while playing any other PvP game?
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:18:59 -
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Krysti wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Krysti wrote: I was afk for ten minutes. Would you go AFK while playing any other PvP game? I do not afk in this game, but that's not really the issue. I would have saved my pod yes, but the game is a total joke now. Really?
Krysti wrote:Well I got ganked yesterday and lost 2B in implants etc... I was afk for ten minutes. So which one of the above statements is true? Or are you just telling porkies all round?
Quote:Look I'm not mining again ever so I will just count it is a blessing, but plenty of people enjoy mining and it's just sad that there is no consequence to ganking very soft targets. The whole principle of Eve is that it's up to you to provide consequence, not CCP.
Please insert another coin to continue.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:41:56 -
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Chemma Chi wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Whenever I read "enjoy mining" I have to wonder what exactly is enjoyable about it.
The only thought I can come up with, is "doing something else while mining", which means that mining isn't enjoyable at all.
WOOOHOOOO I'M SOOO STARING AT THAT ROCK BABY! LOOK AT MA DRONES! MA DRONES BABY! THEY MOVE BACK AND FORTH! BACK AND FORTH!! Sounds like awesome discoparty time! Relevant
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.21 15:22:17 -
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Krysti wrote:What consequences are there for a month old alt doing this ganking? Anybody can shoot at them, they get chased around by NPCs, they lose a ship every time they gank, they get 15 minute GCC timers, there's restrictions on the ships that they can realistically undock while not ganking etc.
Quote:Yes i can mine safely in null - great game design right there.
I'm now taking more risk in hi-sec, and yes i know what to do to protect myself but seriously? why should i have to for much less rewards? Because if you don't you die. It's only safer in nullsec because players put in the effort to make it safer, in highsec players put in the effort to make it more dangerous.
You too can follow the example of nullsec residents and try to make the space you live in safer, but it involves effort so you won't
Quote:Garbage game design, all the effort from me to mine safely for peanuts but no effort to kill me. You were mining while afk, that involves exactly zero effort, hence you get crap rewards.
Quote:If this is going on, then how about insurance for pods? and equal rewards for hi-sec miners?
where will the madness end! You insure your pod by paying attention, and not being afk . The rewards for highsec mining are in line with the amount of effort you put in to it. The madness might end when people stop calling for highsec to be safer than it already is*, and whining about other players using them as content.
*Highsec is currently so safe that people like you think that it's safe to go afk while in space.
Edit ~ Still waiting for an answer to this
Krysti "I do not afk in this game, but that's not really the issue. I would have saved my pod yes, but the game is a total joke now." Krysti "Well I got ganked yesterday and lost 2B in implants etc... I was afk for ten minutes."
So which one of the above statements is true? Or are you just telling porkies all round?
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.22 22:17:20 -
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Jax Kazen wrote:It actually used to serve a purpose, kind of. Mining Barges / Exhumers don't explode from "natural" causes at the same rate that say combat ships do so producers of said mining ships would provide a bounty for destroyed mining ships as it would drive market activity and price. It still serves exactly the same purpose that it always has, ganking still provides localised market opportunities, and, to some extent, discourages the locust fleets of multiboxers from stripping belts.
Quote:Now, however, I think that it's mostly just malice vs any economic benefit. Tell that to the people who sell mining ships and modules, they definitely receive an economic benefit. Eve is a world where cut throat business practices are exactly that.
Quote:People have a natural inclination to fear/dislike things that are different than they are. People who do it simply for laughs gravitate towards the sociopath area of that spectrum. The people who're displaying sociopathic tendencies are the ones who make real life threats over the loss of their internet spaceship pixels. Threatening to hunt someone down in real life, kill, disfigure, sexually assault or otherwise wishing real life misfortune upon their mothers, spouses, children or pets because your internet spaceship got blown up is not normal behaviour, it's downright abhorrent and is totally unacceptable.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.23 01:29:15 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:The margins on ships relative to mineral prices are too thin to make ganking a realistic way to make isk. It's just a talking point - nothing more. Ever hear of high volume, low margin sales? The money is in the volume of sales or turnover, not the profit margin.
If I can sell 100 items with a 2.5Gäà profit margin while someone else only manages to sell 5 of the same item with a 10Gäà profit margin in the same time period who makes more money?
Many successful real world businesses are built around the above. You probably use them regularly must like the rest of us.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.24 03:07:22 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:People are able to act out in ways they can't in RL. That's kind of the point of playing games, especially RPGs, of which Eve is one 
Quote:Despite common misinformation, most players will play the game how they really want to be and usually mirrors their true personality and mental state... support, industrious, hunter, or just pure douchebag. Bollocks, that's a huge great steaming pile of manure.
Quote:Many good people play the game, but there are also many soulless and truly evil people. (Erotica1 for example) Is that your professional opinion? Or are you yet another person who has problems with telling the difference between reality and fantasy? What Erotica did was distasteful, not evil.
Quote:All in all.. It's about ***** getting to be ***** and having laughs at your expense (and theirs). Relevant
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.24 17:56:33 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:of sorts yes apparently there is an activity in eve that has exactly 0% pvp but i do not remember what it is Deleting it from your hard drive and never logging in again.
Although if you post on the forums about it then it enters the realms of both PvP and comedy
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.24 19:04:02 -
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Crimson Nirnroots wrote:I think the ever popular 'citation needed' is appropriate here.
I also have no figures to back up my disagreement, but one: me.
When I was a new pilot, I did mine for isk. I was also ganked. It happened so quick I didn't even really know what happened. I got my killmail and was very much in the 'watdashiz' mind frame.
But I didn't quit.
I came to the forums, and instead of raging, I read threads. I learned. I had known that EvE was a dangerous place, but now it was revealed to me just how dangerous, and in what forms that peril may take.
I learned about the infamous Mr. G Fappington (my ganker) and the New Order, and I was introduced to the miner-bumping blog.
And I still didn't quit.
I kept reading and enjoyed learning about this player made game play, and I thought it was spectacular. I think this type of culture is a wonderful part of the EvE Universe. It showed this capsuleer what else there is to do in New Eden beyond gathering minerals.
I didn't quit. I tanked my ships. I enjoy the game in all it's facets. I don't know how many other pilots this story can relate to, but I doubt very highly I am completely alone. This guy gets it +1
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.24 20:15:19 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:of sorts yes apparently there is an activity in eve that has exactly 0% pvp but i do not remember what it is Character design although I'm thinking of suggesting boys vs girls and then it will be relevant. Nah, the PvP in the character designer relates to
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.24 21:48:10 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:There's also l.c.o (let's see if he can figure that one out) L.C.O is hot, although the hotness does involve flammable liquids and a naked flame.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.25 13:17:39 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I use them to carry me between spaceships. My feet shall never touch the ground.
That's understandable when you can't afford drones Oh, I can. I just prefer this as a fashion statement. Kaarous, when he's in Amarr space
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